Daf Reactions Ketubot 62: Can't Lay Pipe
Shalom, friends! Welcome to #dafreactions ketubot 62! In which we investigate HOW OFTEN the Gemara says husbands are obligated to…AHEM 😉 🍆✌️their wives!
Shalom, friends! Welcome to #dafreactions ketubot 62! In which we investigate HOW OFTEN the Gemara says husbands are obligated to…AHEM 😉 🍆✌️their wives!i

הַטַּיָּילִין בְּכׇל יוֹם. מַאי ״טַיָּילִין״? אָמַר רָבָא: בְּנֵי פִירְקֵי. אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי: מַאן דִּכְתִיב בְּהוּ ״שָׁוְא לָכֶם מַשְׁכִּימֵי קוּם מְאַחֲרֵי שֶׁבֶת אוֹכְלֵי לֶחֶם הָעֲצָבִים כֵּן יִתֵּן לִידִידוֹ שֵׁנָא״, וְאָמַר רַב יִצְחָק: אֵלּוּ נְשׁוֹתֵיהֶן שֶׁל תַּלְמִידֵי חֲכָמִים, שֶׁמְּנַדְּדוֹת שֵׁינָה מֵעֵינֵיהֶם בָּעוֹלָם הַזֶּה, וּבָאוֹת לְחַיֵּי הָעוֹלָם הַבָּא, וְאַתְּ אָמְרַתְּ בְּנֵי פִירְקֵי?!

§ The mishna said that men of leisure must engage in marital relations with their wives every day. The Gemara asks: What is meant by the term men of leisure? Rava said: These are students of Torah who go daily to review their lectures at a local study hall and return home each evening. Abaye said to him: Wives of Torah scholars are those about whom it is written: “It is vain for you to rise early and sit up late, you that eat the bread of toil, so He gives to His beloved in sleep” (Psalms 127:2), and Rabbi Yitzḥak said in explanation of this verse: These are the wives of Torah scholars who deprive their eyes of sleep in this world and reach the life of the World-to-Come. This indicates that Torah scholars exert themselves greatly in their studies and are not home in the evenings, and you say that the students reviewing their lectures are men of leisure, whose wives have conjugal rights for every night?

אֶלָּא אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: כִּדְרַב, דְּאָמַר רַב: כְּגוֹן רַב שְׁמוּאֵל בַּר שִׁילַת, דְּאָכֵיל מִדִּידֵיהּ, וְשָׁתֵי מִדִּידֵיהּ, וְגָנֵי בְּטוּלָּא דְאַפַּדְנֵיהּ, וְלָא חָלֵיף פְּרִיסְתְּקָא דְמַלְכָּא אַבָּבֵיהּ. כִּי אֲתָא רָבִין אָמַר: כְּגוֹן מְפַנְּקִי דְמַעְרְבָא.

Rather, Abaye said: The mishna should be explained in accordance with the opinion of Rav, as Rav said: This is referring to a man such as Rabbi Shmuel bar Sheilat, who ate his own food, drank his own drinks, slept in the shade of his own house, and the king’s tax collector [peristaka] did not pass by his door, as they did not know that he was a man of means. A man like this, who has a steady income and no worries, is called a man of leisure. When Ravin came from Eretz Yisrael he said: For example, the wealthy, pampered men in the West, Eretz Yisrael, are called men of leisure. Due to the time they have available and the richness of their diet, they have the ability to satisfy their wives every night.

וְהַפּוֹעֲלִים שְׁתַּיִם בַּשַּׁבָּת. וְהָתַנְיָא: הַפּוֹעֲלִים אַחַת בַּשַּׁבָּת! אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי חֲנִינָא, לָא קַשְׁיָא: כָּאן בְּעוֹשִׂין מְלָאכָה בְּעִירָן, כָּאן בְּעוֹשִׂין מְלָאכָה בְּעִיר אַחֶרֶת. תַּנְיָא נָמֵי הָכִי: הַפּוֹעֲלִים שְׁתַּיִם בַּשַּׁבָּת, בַּמֶּה דְּבָרִים אֲמוּרִים — בְּעוֹשִׂין מְלָאכָה בְּעִירָן, אֲבָל בְּעוֹשִׂין מְלָאכָה בְּעִיר אַחֶרֶת — אַחַת בַּשַּׁבָּת.

§ The mishna said: The set interval for laborers to fulfill their conjugal obligations to their wives is twice a week. The Gemara asks: Isn’t it taught in a baraita: For laborers, once a week? Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Ḥanina, said: This is not difficult: Here, the case is where they work in their own city. There, the case is where they work in another city. This is also taught in the Tosefta (5:6): For laborers, twice a week. In what case is this statement said? It is when they work in their own city, but when they work in another city, the set interval for their conjugal obligations is once a week.

הַחַמָּרִים אַחַת בַּשַּׁבָּת. אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַבָּה בַּר רַב חָנָן לְאַבָּיֵי: אִיכְּפַל תַּנָּא לְאַשְׁמוֹעִינַן טַיָּיל וּפוֹעֵל? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: לָא,

§ The mishna said: The set interval for donkey drivers is once a week, and for other professions it is even less frequent. Rabba bar Rav Ḥanan said to Abaye: Did the tanna go to all that trouble just to teach us the halakha for a man of leisure and for a laborer? According to the set intervals given for conjugal obligations, it seems that the halakha that one who vowed to prohibit his wife from conjugal relations for longer than a week must divorce her is referring only to a man of leisure or a laborer, whose set interval for conjugal relations is less than that period. However, for other people, whose set interval is once a month or even less frequent, there should be no need to divorce the wife, since the vow does not deprive her of conjugal rights for longer than she would have been deprived anyway. He said to him: No,

אַכּוּלְּהוּ. וְהָא שִׁשָּׁה חֳדָשִׁים קָאָמַר? אֵינוֹ דּוֹמֶה מִי שֶׁיֵּשׁ לוֹ פַּת בְּסַלּוֹ לְמִי שֶׁאֵין לוֹ פַּת בְּסַלּוֹ.

the tanna taught us a halakhawith regard to all of them, not only a man of leisure or a laborer. He asked him: But with regard to a sailor it said that the set interval for conjugal relations is six months; why, then, should he have to divorce her if he vowed to forbid these relations for only a week? He answered him: It is well known that one who has bread in his basket is not comparable to one who does not have bread in his basket. On a fast day, one who does not have bread available in his basket suffers more than one who does have bread available and knows that he will be able to eat later. In this case as well, when a woman knows that marital relations are forbidden to her due to a vow, her suffering from waiting for her husband to return is increased.

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַבָּה בַּר רַב חָנָן לְאַבָּיֵי: חַמָּר וְנַעֲשֶׂה גַּמָּל, מַאי? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: רוֹצָה אִשָּׁה בְּקַב וְתִיפְלוּת מֵעֲשָׂרָה קַבִּין וּפְרִישׁוּת.

Rabba bar Rav Hanan said to Abaye: If a donkey driver who is already married wants to become a camel driver, what is the halakha? Is he permitted to change his profession in order to earn more money from his work, even though this will mean he reduces the frequency with which he engages in conjugal relations with his wife? He answered him: A woman prefers a kav, i.e., modest means, with conjugal relations to ten kav with abstinence. Consequently, he is not allowed to change his profession without her permission.

הַסַּפָּנִים אַחַת לְשִׁשָּׁה חֳדָשִׁים, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר. אָמַר רַב בְּרוֹנָא אָמַר רַב: הֲלָכָה כְּרַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר. אָמַר רַב אַדָּא בַּר אַהֲבָה אָמַר רַב: זוֹ דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר, אֲבָל חֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: הַתַּלְמִידִים יוֹצְאִין לְתַלְמוּד תּוֹרָה שְׁתַּיִם וְשָׁלֹשׁ שָׁנִים שֶׁלֹּא בִּרְשׁוּת. אָמַר רָבָא: סָמְכוּ רַבָּנַן אַדְּרַב אַדָּא בַּר אַהֲבָה וְעָבְדִי עוֹבָדָא בְּנַפְשַׁיְיהוּ.

§ The mishna stated: For sailors, the set interval for conjugal relations is once every six months. This is the statement of Rabbi Eliezer. Rav Berona said that Rav said: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Eliezer. Rav Adda bar Ahava said that Rav said: This is the statement of Rabbi Eliezer, but the Rabbis say: Students may leave their homes to study Torah for as long as two or three years without permission from their wives. Rava said: The Sages relied on Rabbi Adda bar Ahava’s opinion and performed an action like this themselves, but the results were sometimes fatal.

כִּי הָא דְּרַב רְחוּמִי הֲוָה שְׁכִיחַ קַמֵּיהּ דְּרָבָא בְּמָחוֹזָא, הֲוָה רְגִיל דַּהֲוָה אָתֵי לְבֵיתֵיהּ כֹּל מַעֲלֵי יוֹמָא דְכִיפּוּרֵי. יוֹמָא חַד מְשַׁכְתֵּיהּ שְׁמַעְתָּא. הֲוָה מְסַכְּיָא דְּבֵיתְהוּ: הַשְׁתָּא אָתֵי, הַשְׁתָּא אָתֵי. לָא אֲתָא. חֲלַשׁ דַּעְתַּהּ, אַחִית דִּמְעֲתָא מֵעֵינַהּ. הֲוָה יָתֵיב בְּאִיגָּרָא, אִפְּחִית אִיגָּרָא מִתּוּתֵיהּ וְנָח נַפְשֵׁיהּ.

This is as it is related about Rav Reḥumi, who would commonly study before Rava in Meḥoza: He was accustomed to come back to his home every year on the eve of Yom Kippur. One day he was particularly engrossed in the halakha he was studying, and so he remained in the study hall and did not go home. His wife was expecting him that day and continually said to herself: Now he is coming, now he is coming. But in the end, he did not come. She was distressed by this and a tear fell from her eye. At that exact moment, Rav Reḥumi was sitting on the roof. The roof collapsed under him and he died. This teaches how much one must be careful, as he was punished severely for causing anguish to his wife, even inadvertently.

עוֹנָה שֶׁל תַּלְמִידֵי חֲכָמִים אֵימַת? אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: מֵעֶרֶב שַׁבָּת לְעֶרֶב שַׁבָּת. ״אֲשֶׁר פִּרְיוֹ יִתֵּן בְּעִתּוֹ״, אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה, וְאִיתֵּימָא רַב הוּנָא, וְאִיתֵּימָא רַב נַחְמָן: זֶה הַמְשַׁמֵּשׁ מִטָּתוֹ מֵעֶרֶב שַׁבָּת לְעֶרֶב שַׁבָּת.

§ When is the ideal time for Torah scholars to fulfill their conjugal obligations? Rav Yehuda said that Shmuel said: The appropriate time for them is from Shabbat eve to Shabbat eve, i.e., on Friday nights. Similarly, it is stated with regard to the verse “that brings forth its fruit in its season” (Psalms 1:3): Rav Yehuda said, and some say that it was Rav Huna, and some say that it was Rav Naḥman: This is referring to one who engages in marital relations, bringing forth his fruit, from Shabbat eve to Shabbat eve.

יְהוּדָה בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַבִּי חִיָּיא, חַתְנֵיהּ דְּרַבִּי יַנַּאי, הֲוָה אָזֵיל וְיָתֵיב בְּבֵי רַב, וְכׇל בֵּי שִׁמְשֵׁי הֲוָה אָתֵי לְבֵיתֵיהּ, וְכִי הֲוָה אָתֵי, הֲוָה קָא חָזֵי קַמֵּיהּ עַמּוּדָא דְנוּרָא. יוֹמָא חַד מְשַׁכְתֵּיהּ שְׁמַעְתָּא. כֵּיוָן דְּלָא חָזֵי הָהוּא סִימָנָא, אֲמַר לְהוּ רַבִּי יַנַּאי: כְּפוּ מִטָּתוֹ, שֶׁאִילְמָלֵי יְהוּדָה קַיָּים לֹא בִּיטֵּל עוֹנָתוֹ. הֲוַאי כִּ״שְׁגָגָה שֶׁיּוֹצָא מִלִּפְנֵי הַשַּׁלִּיט״, וְנָח נַפְשֵׁיהּ.

It is related further that Yehuda, son of Rabbi Ḥiyya and son-in-law of Rabbi Yannai, would go and sit in the study hall, and every Shabbat eve at twilight he would come to his house. When he would come, Rabbi Yannai would see a pillar of fire preceding him due to his sanctity. One day he was engrossed in the halakha he was studying, and he stayed in the study hall and did not return home. When Rabbi Yannai did not see that sign preceding him, he said to the family: Turn his bed over, as one does at times of mourning, since he must have died, reasoning that if Yehuda were alive he would not have missed his set interval for conjugal relations and would certainly have come home. What he said became “like an error that proceeds from a ruler” (Ecclesiastes 10:5), and Yehuda, son of Rabbi Ḥiyya, died.

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